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JoeKnowMo · Jun 13, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Eragon Dragonslayer

btw i agree with mesmers and sins are the weakest classes in pve...

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

This statement is a very ignorant one to make!

1- NO class is stronger than any other in pve or pvp, they all have there own respective uses and purposes and can be very effective if used correctly.

True for PvP. Not so for PvE as well as RA sometimes

Until Anet changes the organization and behavior of PvE mobs, classes that do more AoE damage and can bodyblock/absorb more damage will be stronger. Egalitarianism doesn't apply to PvE. Sorry. A mindless Glyph Nuker or echo SS will trump a good Mesmer most anytime as long as mobs hang out in meteor showers and keep attacking with SS on them.

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

2- You obviously either don't have much experience with this game or your one of many experienced newbs for life.

Rushing to judgement and attacking another is poor form just cuz they don't agree with you.

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3- Damage output doesn't make a profession powerful. I say this in conjunction to you saying the mesmers are weak in pve... even in pve mesmers can make a foe uttery useless and allow your team to take them down with ease. An assassin can shadow step a healer and drop them in less than 10 seconds, then shadow stepping back outside aggro only to rinse and repeat on another caster. They have a very bad name for being soft-skin tanks, this came about due to the many people that made sins and never learned the proper use.

Damage output and limiting the damage you take is what makes a profession powerful in PvE. Maybe you have a secret Mesmer or 'Sin build you'd like to share for 5 man Oro farming or for a 6 man Tombs run?

Barrage rangers are rarely seen in PvP but common in PvE due to AoE damage which Mesmers and 'Sins are limited at.

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4- Saying any profession is stronger than any other in either pvp or pve is like comparing apples to oranges. Different doesn't make it less effective. A profession like mesmers is one of the most feared in pvp... simply because its PEOPLE being left helpless by them and they directly realize how powerful they can be. On the other hand in pve when a mesmer tears into a foe nobody realizes what they are doing... they can leave a foe helpless as a wammo wacks away or an ele nukes them and of coarse they get the credit for the kill because its whats SEEN. Professions like the mesmer don't receive credit for what they do but groups run a lot more effeciantly with one present. People need to give mesmers alot more respect... you know how well they do their job in pvp.... they are doing the same in pve its just not as noticable as it is in pvp.

In PvP you're playing against the same number of people who are also much smarter than the mindless PvE mobs. When PvE enemy monks start playing a boon prot build and healing like a good boon prot, then Mesmers are gonna get their due in PvE. When monsters learn to break aggro from tanks and go for the casters in the backline, then we won't see the high demand for tanks.

I'm not gonna delete my Mesmer or my 'Sin. I had a lot of fun playing Mesmer and found that it actually helped me learn a lot about the skills for each class and made me a better player. Playing a Mantra of Recovery with interrupts Mes build outside of Ember Light Camp is a ton of fun

However, I'm not gonna tell someone that all professions are equal in PvE when it's a different game from PvP.

JoeKnowMo · Jun 13, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo (and modded by Avarre

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While Mesmers and Assassins are great in PvP, they actually take a little more skill than pressing buttons when they light up to be effective in PvE.

Fixed.

Mesmers are not automatically great in PvP either. They take skill unlike some other classes. Last night in Fort Aspenwood a Mes put Backfire on my tank and tried to interrupt my Healing Sig with Power Spike.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Jun 13, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

This statement is a very ignorant one to make!

1- NO class is stronger than any other in pve or pvp, they all have there own respective uses and purposes and can be very effective if used correctly.

2- You obviously either don't have much experience with this game or your one of many experienced newbs for life.

3- Damage output doesn't make a profession powerful. I say this in conjunction to you saying the mesmers are weak in pve... even in pve mesmers can make a foe uttery useless and allow your team to take them down with ease. An assassin can shadow step a healer and drop them in less than 10 seconds, then shadow stepping back outside aggro only to rinse and repeat on another caster. They have a very bad name for being soft-skin tanks, this came about due to the many people that made sins and never learned the proper use.

4- Saying any profession is stronger than any other in either pvp or pve is like comparing apples to oranges. Different doesn't make it less effective. A profession like mesmers is one of the most feared in pvp... simply because its PEOPLE being left helpless by them and they directly realize how powerful they can be. On the other hand in pve when a mesmer tears into a foe nobody realizes what they are doing... they can leave a foe helpless as a wammo wacks away or an ele nukes them and of coarse they get the credit for the kill because its whats SEEN. Professions like the mesmer don't receive credit for what they do but groups run a lot more effeciantly with one present. People need to give mesmers alot more respect... you know how well they do their job in pvp.... they are doing the same in pve its just not as noticable as it is in pvp.

Look mayb u dont think so but i do...i think mesmers are weak in pve, assassins arent that weak in pve but they do have their faults..

btw i am a noob for life always have been...always will =D

but i did like ur thread on the 55 necro and i think u hasd a ss/sv thread also but u had a great thread nevertheless undead =D

Minus Sign · Jun 14, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Yes, Mesmers have trouble finding PUGs. On the other hand, the groups that accept them KNOW what they are getting and WILL win the mission. They won't blame defeat on the monk and cry "REZ REZ REEEEEZZZZ!" in the middle of the fight.

Mesmers can't do damage in PvE??? Echo Backfire on a pair of castors and say that with a straight face. Ai is is stupid! And for all the times I've seen people laugh about PvP Whammos attacking through SS, how many times do you think an NPC is going to stop and wait out Empathy!

Diversion! mobs don't have a full skill bar already and you've just ripped yet another skill out of their hands!

Complicate+Cry! Skill spam=waste of time!

The greatest weakness to any class is player ignorance.

I don't think you will enjoy Rit, frankly. Make a Warrior/Monk. That should suit your playstyle quite well and I'm sure you will enjoy it.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Jun 14, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Minus Sign

Yes, Mesmers have trouble finding PUGs. On the other hand, the groups that accept them KNOW what they are getting and WILL win the mission. They won't blame defeat on the monk and cry "REZ REZ REEEEEZZZZ!" in the middle of the fight.

Mesmers can't do damage in PvE??? Echo Backfire on a pair of castors and say that with a straight face. Ai is is stupid! And for all the times I've seen people laugh about PvP Whammos attacking through SS, how many times do you think an NPC is going to stop and wait out Empathy!

Diversion! mobs don't have a full skill bar already and you've just ripped yet another skill out of their hands!

Complicate+Cry! Skill spam=waste of time!

The greatest weakness to any class is player ignorance.

I don't think you will enjoy Rit, frankly. Make a Warrior/Monk. That should suit your playstyle quite well and I'm sure you will enjoy it.

I already have a wammo and a ranger, a monk, and a necromancer and a elementalist and a soon to be ritualist...

btw i didnt say mesmers didnt do damage i said they didnt do alot

Undead Preacher · Jun 14, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27

okay u want my honest opinion... wait to delete your assassin..

I'm not really one to talk seeing I've deleted over 5 lvl 20's to make new chars because I like change but with the availability of additional character slots in the near future... I would recommend waiting.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Jun 14, 2006, 07:07 AM // 07:07

it wasnt even lvl 20....it was lvl 14..and ur a little late lol its gone....went to the big server up in the sky...

Effigy · Jun 14, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

You can make a level 20 character in just a couple days of play thanks to the increased quest xp in Factions. It's possible in less than a day if you play like a true addict (I've done it and ascended).

Unless you've already spent a lot of money on armor and customized weapons, deleting a level 20 is no big deal. If you don't like playing it, then don't. Like someone else said, it's a game after all.

frickaline · Jun 14, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by Eragon Dragonslayer

btw i didnt say mesmers didnt do damage i said they didnt do alot

But this is completely untrue, don't you see? Why else would they be good in PvP if they weren't effective?

No, the problem with PvE mesmers is that many people don't know how to use the mesmer skills properly and effectively. If you have a big loaded gun but you never fire at the right target, guess what, you aren't effective.

It's not that mesmers can't do damage in PvE, its that BAD mesmers can't, while BAD wammos still (usually) do some damage. There's just more room for error in other character classes. The assassin is similar to the mesmer in this fashion. They can be effective, pvp OR pve, given the right driver.

Pick Me · Jun 14, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

I'm not sure how this ended up happening. The innocent question whether or not to replace an Assassin for a Ritualist all of a sudden became Mesmers are or are not useless.

Anyway, I'll talk about the Mesmer first. Last night I went off to fight a Monk boss + 2 other monks + Rangers + Warriors + Mesmers + Necro + Assassins + Assassin Boss (all on a quest in Factions). I was using my N/Me with henchies. We got smoked, my curses and blood magic didn't do anything against the 3 monks. So, I swtiched to my Curse+Domination Magic build. We crushed them with only losing 1 henchie. Mesmers can become very effective when used properly.

Now back to the original question about the Assassin. I like the Assassin profession. My Ritualist is nice, but I seem to heal better with my Monk than my Ritualist (I'm still new using the Ritualist even though I'm level 20).

All I can say is give the Assassin a try, if you don't like it because you kept getting killed or you can't get into any groups, just wait. People may become more accepting of Assassins later on.

Cold · Jun 14, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Minus Sign

And for all the times I've seen people laugh about PvP Whammos attacking through SS, how many times do you think an NPC is going to stop and wait out Empathy!

I am that wammo... with big hammer...with all adrenaline skills charged... some necro put SS on me and I kill him in 4 swings taking some damage in process. SS and Empathy are not that scary, you see

Pick Me · Jun 14, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Cold

I am that wammo... with big hammer...with all adrenaline skills charged... some necro put SS on me and I kill him in 4 swings taking some damage in process. SS and Empathy are not that scary, you see

That is true. However, is someone through Reckless Haste, Price of Failure and enfeeble as well, you'll see a big change in your attitude.

Of course chances of that happening won't be often.

Undead Preacher · Jun 15, 2006, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by Effigy

You can make a level 20 character in just a couple days of play thanks to the increased quest xp in Factions. It's possible in less than a day if you play like a true addict (I've done it and ascended).

Unless you've already spent a lot of money on armor and customized weapons, deleting a level 20 is no big deal. If you don't like playing it, then don't. Like someone else said, it's a game after all.

does that mean I shouldn't have deleted my ranger with fow just to create another ranger....humm, my bad I guess

didn't u know money grows on trees, well in GW's

LightningHell · Jun 15, 2006, 07:15 AM // 07:15

Request permission to personally attack JoKnowMo and Eragon Dragonslayer while defending the Mesmer class.

You don't deal damage as a Mesmer? GO OFF TARGET AND KILL YOUR OWN CRAP. Even a Mesmer with half a minute of experience would know that.

And "They don't deal enough damage"? Yeah, what Minus Sign said. Cast three backfires (with Echo/Arcane Echo) and say that with a straight face.

No, it's just you don't spam Backfire on a focused Warrior mob, unlike some Mesmers who, IMHO, should be enrolled in Wammo Academy.

Avarre · Jun 15, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

I like how direct-damage class and tank players try to play Lyssan classes, fail miserably, and say they suck. It's funny.

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You're the exception, not the rule

LightningHell · Jun 15, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I like how direct-damage class and tank players try to play Lyssan classes, fail miserably, and say they suck. It's funny.

Not all fail, though. I didn't (or at least I think I didn't), for one. :P

Eragon Dragonslayer · Jun 16, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

alrite..ill take back what i said about mesmers...i made one and played it for a while....and they rocked..they completely own in pve and pvp so forgive me for saying what i said without accually playing through...but alas...i deleted the mesmer and made the rit...btw what do yall think would make a better 2nd prof for my rit?

Pick Me · Jun 16, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Eragon Dragonslayer

alrite..ill take back what i said about mesmers...i made one and played it for a while....and they rocked..they completely own in pve and pvp so forgive me for saying what i said without accually playing through...but alas...i deleted the mesmer and made the rit...btw what do yall think would make a better 2nd prof for my rit?

Well at least you tried the Mesmer, and confessed that you made comments about a profession you never tried.

Anyway, the question as to what is a good 2nd profession for a ritualist has been asked already.

My response is:

1) Necromancer
2) Ranger
3) Warrior
4) Monk
5) Mesmer
6) Assassin
7) Elementalist

Necromancer - MM (works with Spawning); OoB for energy management
Ranger - Spirit Spammer; running; stances
Warrior - stances; running
Monk - remove curses; rebirth
Mesmer - energy management; remove curses
Assassin - teleport
Elementalist - non-lightning attacks; defenses; glyphs

That would be my choice. I have a Rit/N.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Jun 16, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

so would u say Rit/N is the best dmg dealer? cuz i want one that delivers unparralled dmg ouput..

LightningHell · Jun 18, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by Eragon Dragonslayer

so would u say Rit/N is the best dmg dealer? cuz i want one that delivers unparralled dmg ouput..

You want unparralleled damage dealing? Go Warrior.